What happens in the next two debates....

If McCain loses it, I mean, really just lets go with a diatribe, or some moment of pure unvarnished anger so off message that a hush falls over the room.

I watched that interview with the Iowa Journal, and his sarcasm was seething with restrained anger.  His teeth almost looked clenched, his fists balled.

Now this a man with decades in politics, but also with documented incidents of going ballistic at staff, colleagues, at his wife.

I don't think he likes pressure all the much, I also don't think he likes his image being challenged.

I also think he believes Obama personally is not giving him the respect he is due.

Odds are, he is NOT going to blow, but he is a loaded powder keg with a short fuse.

And, I think Obama is that counter puncher, and when you are that kind of fighter, you look for the other guy to swing wildly, so you can land the clean shot, and finish it. If I was Axelrod or the rest of Obama's debate prep team, I would see if there were moments to really go at the core of how McCain views himself, say, the Maverick meme.

I think Obama really challenging that image that McCain has of himself COULD trigger a flash of anger back at this one term senator that has the temerity to challenge the maverick warrior.

McCain uses a lot of self-depracting humor, but I don't believe it for a minute. He thinks he is god's gift to politics.

I'm sure Barack has a healthy ego as well, but he certainly doesn't have the short fuse McCain does.

We have yet to have the moment for history, what gets played back in years to come, in any of these debates IMO.

We haven't had a "there you go again" or  a "You're no Jack Kennedy" moment, that stands as a marker in time.

If there is to be one, it might be McCain going off the rails in a moment of real anger, and basically assuring the Reagan level Electoral landslide is coming.



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Re: What happens in the next two debates.... (2.00 / 1)

I always enjoy your take on things as you know. REC


by canadian on Sun Oct 05, 2008 at 08:32:56 PM EST

Re: What happens in the next two debates.... (2.00 / 1)

Thanks


On Nov 4th, we elected "the smart guy" and the world celebrated!
by WashStateBlue on Sun Oct 05, 2008 at 08:36:36 PM EST
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Re: What happens in the next two debates.... (none / 0)

Do you think he'll bring up Keating Five?  Do you think he'll wonder what John's big economic idea was back when he was cheating and got himself censored?  He could also speak about the constitution and cite cases when he's speaking about civil rights, or state's rights, or whatever.  John had a 'thang' about Barack, who gets under his skin for sure. He'll be training to 'get over it,' before debates, and he'll maybe even be on valium, but every day that man loses more of his cognitive ability and when old guys get organic they tend to the cranky.  


what a relief
by anna shane on Sun Oct 05, 2008 at 09:09:45 PM EST

Re: What happens in the next two debates.... (none / 0)

I don't see Obama needing to go there, unless McCain directly references Bill Ayers?

I think, as I said, the best way to get McCain boiling is to go at his self-image.

The Maverick thing...Straight talk, etc.

I would bring up Phil Gramm, and how HE is right in the line of fire for eliminating the controls of insurance levels that created all the  credit swap derivatives all of Wallstreet got drunk on.

It's tough to explain minutuae in a debate, but I think McCain would really get pissed if Obama was trying to hang the financial stuff around his neck.


On Nov 4th, we elected "the smart guy" and the world celebrated!
by WashStateBlue on Sun Oct 05, 2008 at 09:37:40 PM EST
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What would be great (2.00 / 2)

is if Obama turns around and said "I could go one for hours about your connections to Charles Keating, John, who was convinced of fraud and rackeetering, but that isn't going to help millions of Americans whose homes will be lost, millions who lost their jobs and lost their fortunes, millions without healthcare, and the hundred thousand troops in Iraq who need to come home."


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Sun Oct 05, 2008 at 09:47:49 PM EST
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Re: What would be great (none / 0)

Whoa dude - that's the line!

In fact Obama has already taken out a web site (http://www.keatingeconomics.com/) that highlights McCain's connections to Charles Keating. If Obama delivers that line, McCain will go thermonuclear.


by bushsucks on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 12:08:55 AM EST
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That was only $170 billion dollars wasted (none / 0)

although it was in 1980s dollars..


Health Care: WHY do we pay MORE and GET LESS?
http://content.healthaffairs.org/cgi/con tent/full/hlthaff.28.1.w1/DC1
by architek on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 09:26:04 AM EST
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Is that why Cindy wont reveal (none / 0)

Her tax returns?


Health Care: WHY do we pay MORE and GET LESS?
http://content.healthaffairs.org/cgi/con tent/full/hlthaff.28.1.w1/DC1
by architek on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 09:26:42 AM EST
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DingDingDingDingDing!! (none / 0)

We have a winner!


Motley Moose: Progress Through Politics
by chrisblask on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 01:16:05 AM EST
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McCain has probably been told (none / 0)

not to come off as angry or cranky. Which means he's going to be busting out the ghastly smile.

On the other hand, we're hearing that he's going full negative. Although Palin can do that with a smile, I see no evidence McCain can. When he jabs you he likes you to feel it.

What I'm hoping for is that McCain keeps "trying" to be nice, then falling back to mean, then catching himself and trying to be nice. I think the obvious vacillation would build a nice dissonance in the viewer, reinforcing the "is he losing it?" meme.

I don't think Obama is going to make him lose it, if only because Barack is just not comfortable with direct confrontation.


by Neef on Sun Oct 05, 2008 at 09:24:15 PM EST

Re: McCain has probably been told (none / 0)

He's gonna have that creepy smile. The one you see in that one interview where he said he did everything he could to get Bush elected. That's McCain's "I have to be nice to you" face.


"Hey, check it out. You just had yourself a glue OD. So you're learning another lesson. Don't do too much glue, or your night sucks."
by vcalzone on Sun Oct 05, 2008 at 09:48:56 PM EST
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Re: McCain has probably been told (none / 0)

He's not smiling.  It's just gas.


Change has come to America.
by the mystical vortexes of sedona on Sun Oct 05, 2008 at 10:39:01 PM EST
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LOL! (none / 0)

hmhmhmhmhmmm!

Oh, that was a good chuckle!


Motley Moose: Progress Through Politics
by chrisblask on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 01:14:42 AM EST
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If Obama won't do it (none / 0)

I don't think Obama is going to make him lose it, if only because Barack is just not comfortable with direct confrontation.

Maybe a person in the audience can make him lose it with his/her question.


Formerly Clintonite4McCain Joe Lieberman Democrat. Supported Biden then Clinton. Will vote for Obama/Biden over McCain/Palin.
by ClintoniteNoLonger4McCain on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 01:03:33 AM EST
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Re: If Obama won't do it (none / 0)

Someone should ask him about veteran's benefits.


"Hey, check it out. You just had yourself a glue OD. So you're learning another lesson. Don't do too much glue, or your night sucks."
by vcalzone on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 01:08:35 AM EST
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Re: If Obama won't do it (none / 0)

Remember that Obama cannot look angry or attack too hard or he risks being labeled the ABM (Angry Black Man).


by ProgressiveDL on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 07:52:15 AM EST
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Rolling Stone article gave some clues... (2.00 / 0)

Apparently, McCain is ultra sensitive about his height. Perhaps Obama could just deliver a long answer about how McCain comes up short and repeat that phrase. That could be interesting if he could say it in a way that would sound perfectly normal to anyone who didn't know.


"Hey, check it out. You just had yourself a glue OD. So you're learning another lesson. Don't do too much glue, or your night sucks."
by vcalzone on Sun Oct 05, 2008 at 09:46:42 PM EST

Re: Rolling Stone article gave some clues... (none / 0)

It'd make the McCain campaign look like crazies, too, because they'd be claiming that Obama was making fun of his size.


"Hey, check it out. You just had yourself a glue OD. So you're learning another lesson. Don't do too much glue, or your night sucks."
by vcalzone on Sun Oct 05, 2008 at 09:47:33 PM EST
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Re: What happens in the next two debates.... (none / 0)

If McCain makes some negative comment about Obama's "associates" I think Barack could give some quietly dissapointed statement about how sad it is to see a once heroic figure reduced to doing anything to win an election, and how he hopes McCain isn't remembered like this.  I bet a sad, oblique, reference to McCain's abandonment of honor just might set John off.

After all, this is the same man who adamantly proclaims that everything he has said in this campaign is 100% true even when the facts of his lies are being laid out in front of him.


by LanceS on Sun Oct 05, 2008 at 10:39:56 PM EST

Re: What happens in the next two debates.... (none / 0)

The next two debates will go like this.

John MCain will try to talk to Obama
Obama will be talking to the American People about his programs
McCain will get flustered for being annoyed
You fill in the rest


A PROUD Hopium user!
by xodus1914 on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 12:27:10 AM EST

Re: What happens in the next two debates.... (2.00 / 1)

I think Obama should delibrately try to get McCain to blow up. I could see McCain having a Jack Nicolson from "A Few Good Men" like blowup in front of 40-50 million people.


by JENKINS on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 12:27:25 AM EST

Rolling Stone Article (2.00 / 0)

OK, I just read the Rolling Stone article on McCain.  Aside from reinforcing and reiterating some of the other things I've read about him, it really drives home his personal, physical insecurities.  (Think about when Cindy mentioned his thinning hair.)  Twice in this original diary, and so far once in the comments, the key word was mentioned -- "short".

In Tuesday's debate, I think Obama should mention McCain's "short" fuse.  He should point out how McCain comes up "short" on solutions; his ideas are "lacking in stature"; he is "short-sighted"; his proposals "don't stand up to" Obama's; his ideas don't "meet the mark".  Maybe even a quip about his "tall tales" not living up to expectations.


by xeju on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 03:41:39 AM EST

Re: What happens in the next two debates.... (none / 0)

I predict Obama will not try to make McCain angry, for two related reasons:

1) He doesn't need a seismic event to win the election. He already did everything he needed to do in the first debate. He showed himself as a reasonable and steady choice. The electorate already sees him as the change candidate, and they want change, as long as they are convinced the change agent is a safe and stable alternative. All he has to do at this point is get across the finish line with no major momentum shift.

2) The results of such an event would not be nearly as predictable as you seem to think. If the media makes a group judgement that Obama instigated the incident, they can make it into an "Obama's ego is out of control" story. Depending on the nature of the outburst, certain groups of people might feel McCain was justified. And lets not forget that the media would love for something exciting to happen that makes the race closer. It is starting to get boring for them, now that Palin has had her moment and gone into hiding for the duration. So anything exciting that does happen is likely to be spun in McCain's favor, unless it is clearly McCain's fault.


Your attempt to change the subject to "the issues" is irrelevant.
by itsthemedia on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 04:24:25 AM EST

No love lost between these guys (none / 0)

McCain and Obama fell out early in Obama's tenure as Senator after Obama said "thanks but no thanks" to some McCain ethics legislation that may have saved some Republicans' hides in the 2006 mid-terms (which appears to have been a pig-lipstick sort of situation that would've been a bridge to no progress).

As you can see from that letter, McCain seethed with contempt for Obama; if he's managed to hide that contempt on his face for this long; he's probably going to be okay in the last two debates... though maybe there is something to the fact that McCain wouldn't look at Obama during the last debate.


The pebbles have voted and the avalanche has begun.

President-Elect "That One"

by Dracomicron on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 09:58:38 AM EST

Re: Personally, I think (none / 0)

If Obama has another strong showing, the third debate will not matter.  I think he could close the deal with the second one tomorrow night.


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by LtWorf on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 04:57:33 PM EST


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